tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1260368247892986612.post5832659812425105862..comments2023-04-26T01:25:41.730-07:00Comments on Simon Crowcroft: The Millennium Town Park - 'Framed'?Simon Crowcrofthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13982838208865788134noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1260368247892986612.post-16364117074369942902009-06-11T04:18:19.134-07:002009-06-11T04:18:19.134-07:00Simon - you might like to look at my blog post on ...Simon - you might like to look at my blog post on this subject<br /><a href="http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com/2009/06/roof-garden-on-top-of-gas-place-car.html" rel="nofollow">roof garden blog post</a> where I go into a bit more detail, with pictures and flowery language etc.Nick Palmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05360924308743466075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1260368247892986612.post-4804503799293877372009-06-11T03:14:42.453-07:002009-06-11T03:14:42.453-07:00Many thousands of people signed a petition agreein...Many thousands of people signed a petition agreeing that Gas place should be a park with an underground car park.<br /><br />I think we have been told that it would be too expensive to decontaminate the land, so an underground car park is "out of the question". I'm not sure how they can be planning other development on the site - surely it would still need expensive decontamination? They can't use the same excuse twice to different effect depending on what is being proposed, surely?<br /><br /><br />Given that the peoples' preferred solution looks unlikely, I like Tony the Prof's roof garden. A two story car park, recessed slightly underground with a humongous, glorious garden/park/Eden on top could work well.<br /><br />Imagine being up on a level with the rooftops of St Helier - cor - what a sight. Dick Van Dyke ( in "Mary Poppins") made the smoky rooftops of old London town seem magical - up there in Crowcroft's Eden one would be isolated from the traffic and the humdrum. Anyone been to Central Park? Looking around at crazy New York city, yet feeling isolated from it, is a very nice experience.<br /><br />Maybe we could recreate that here.Nick Palmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05360924308743466075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1260368247892986612.post-40255956363223336912009-06-11T02:05:07.069-07:002009-06-11T02:05:07.069-07:00And now WEB has plans to become some sort of priva...And now WEB has plans to become some sort of privately financed development and planning entity for the entire town of St Helier!!<br />Run for the hills before its too late.<br />And Cohen and his cronies are supporting the madness too. Who needs a public interest? Just return to Thatcherite free-market capitalism and turn St Helier into a wonderful investment opportunity!!!! Come on Constable -wake up - speak for your parishioners and at least try to protect their interests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1260368247892986612.post-81455489639197299342009-06-10T14:40:03.315-07:002009-06-10T14:40:03.315-07:00I agree with 'Frustrated of St Helier'
th...I agree with 'Frustrated of St Helier' <br />the Town Park is an island thing and should be paid for by the whole island. And I no longer live in St Helier!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1260368247892986612.post-29775385421848189282009-06-08T13:10:41.700-07:002009-06-08T13:10:41.700-07:00Simon
Re previous poster, who raise the issue of...Simon <br /><br />Re previous poster, who raise the issue of car parks. Most cars come into St Helier from outside Parishes to work, shop, make use of the amenities, so perhaps they should have to pay a premium to park in town, or park in the outskirts and make their way into town using public transport or god forbid under their own steam. <br /><br />My point is that many people commuting into St Helier live in the lovely leafy countryside, but want to condemn us town dwellers to a concrete jungle of car parks and flats for their convenience. They continue to enjoy the delights of relatively low rated unpopulated rural splendour from which they can pop into their cars and pollute the town for a few hours work then retreat again.<br /><br />This is not right. The rural parishes should contribute to the funding of the town park, as if it were not for the commuters we would not need so many car parks in the first place, and if they allowed a bit more development in the countryside we wouldn't need so many flats.<br /><br />Signed <br /><br />Frustrated of St Helier!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1260368247892986612.post-68880657935767205222009-06-07T01:15:21.481-07:002009-06-07T01:15:21.481-07:00Funding for the regeneration of St Helier is suppo...Funding for the regeneration of St Helier is supposed to be produced by the Waterfront "Esplanade Quarter" development, so any dreams of Utopia here should be put on hold for a few more decades.<br />All over the world the construction cranes have gone idle since capitalism went bust and little tax haven economies have been among the worst hit.<br /><br />If the burghers of St Helier want regeneration and parks for people or cars then they must find the money from somewhere but the progress of turning St Helier into the island refuse dump seems to have more island wide public support.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1260368247892986612.post-73458119331179661032009-06-06T13:48:45.686-07:002009-06-06T13:48:45.686-07:00Gas Place : parking and roof garden on top
Ann Co...Gas Place : parking and roof garden on top<br /><br />Ann Court : open space - simple lawn like People's Park, possibly some floral borders<br /><br />Snow Hil : multi + lifts to fort<br /><br />So simple ..... too simple for Jersey!!It ain't rocket sciencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1260368247892986612.post-49306306382374927572009-06-05T14:09:43.977-07:002009-06-05T14:09:43.977-07:00Simon
I totally agree with you, there should be ...Simon <br /><br />I totally agree with you, there should be no residential development on the town park site. This is the wishes of the developers and those politicians in their thrall. It is not what the parishioners of St Helier want!<br /><br />We want a natural and pleasant space to walk through and enjoy, a green lung in the urban centre, somewhere for our children to play. <br /><br />For once lets forgo the greedy temptation to make a quick buck and cover this precious space in concrete. Let's put the needs and well being of the town dwellers of St Helier first. We don't have the luxury of leafy lanes and large gardens. It's our town let us have our say!<br /><br />We have countless new flats and dwellings already springing up all over St Helier enough is enough.<br /><br />Will you be starting another petition to stop them moving the goal posts yet again? If so let us know where we can sign up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1260368247892986612.post-11878099529988361072009-06-05T02:10:02.489-07:002009-06-05T02:10:02.489-07:00The Gas Place area is largely surrounded by commer...The Gas Place area is largely surrounded by commercial properties and the park will not front many dwelling at all.It will also provide little amenity to the Ann Place residents unless a hole and access is knocked through Tunnel Street. Put back the Tunnel perhaps?<br /><br />Ann Place would lend itself to be an open space linked to the Arts Centre to make a genuinely enjoyable place all the year round <br />for all age groups. Some car parking could be included but if it is now to be levelled why not just grass it over and see what happens for little cost?<br /><br />The Gas Place fiasco is largely the result of the failure of Town Deputies and You besides any socially minded Senators or stray Country Constables to push the matter. The Planning Department has also totally failed to carry out the planning studies that have been laid down in successive Island Plans. Now, all of a sudden yet more expensive UK Consultants are being employed to cobble together instant solutions to very big areas of St Helier ( such as from St Saviour's Road to David Place and beyond) whereas there is simply no realisic hope that sufficient funding will be found to do the re-building job properly.<br /><br />Big ideas with no money will be the order of the day and all sorts of expediences and inadequacies of talent and commitment will ensure that the St Helier Ghetto project rolls on. Meanwhile, the cows and Senator Cohen and most others with influence, will continue to enjoy the privileges of country life and you Mr Constable will continue in your delusion that St Helier might be made a pleasant place for most people to live in. Wake UP! Face reality. St Helier can only get worse. Build outside of the urban box!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1260368247892986612.post-3983538052897368482009-06-04T06:41:45.086-07:002009-06-04T06:41:45.086-07:00I've often thought the simplest option would h...I've often thought the simplest option would have been a "roof garden", i.e, take the current car park, and build a park on top of it. After all, the car park by the cinema has a green grassy area on top of it. No messing around by having to dig underground, except for foundations. <br /><br />The Kensington Roof Gardens – now simply called the Roof Gardens – is a roof garden atop the old Derry and Toms building on Kensington High Street. These are the largest roof gardens in Europe, covering 1.5 acres or 6,000 square metres.<br /><br />If they can do it, why can't we?TonyTheProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10486414706261508994noreply@blogger.com